<TITLE>02. Par 3-5</TITLE>L-3 Now, and when I first begin in this debate that Brother Leo is anxious to get on tape here, I suppose... I see it flickering. I guess he's got it running now. I would not want you, Brother Leo, to use this to hurt or anything, but just... I know you wouldn't.
And I wouldn't say to you, brethren, if a man speaks with tongues, all right; but if he doesn't speak with tongues, that still is no sign he hasn't got it. And if he... I seen people speak with tongues like pouring peas on a dry cowhide, just as hard as they could go, and live with another man's wife. See?
I've seen witches drink blood out of a human skull, and call on the devil, and speak in tongues. I've seen witches and Indian magic-men, when the bull-dance come in, and they would set around this big circle, and they would get out and do all their enchantments, and the devil doctor come in, and they go around and around and do all this jumping up and down, and screaming, and beating on these tom-toms, and--and then the witch doctor would come in and speak in tongues and interpret it to them. See? And I've been in camps of witches where I walked in myself, and it's so... You... It's...
This is not advised for you to go to one, but as a minister, I must know what I am talking about, not taking somebody else's word, because it's... I--I must know it personally myself. See? Because I can't say Brother Jones said this or I read this in a book. I've got to know what I am speaking about, because there's too many people that listen to me, and I certainly don't want to come down on that last day with a bunch of people lost. I must know absolutely before I say anything about it being the truth.
And I think every minister owes that to his congregation of people he preaches to on any subject is to be sure that he knows what he's speaking about before he says anything.

L-4 And so I've been in camps where the spiritualists, and where there come a piano, weigh a half a ton, lift up off the floor, and guitar lay in the room come through strumming music and everything like that, and a coat hanging on the wall come through and set down in a chair by the side of you, knives and forks coming through, and see them--the wizard lay a--lay a--a piece of paper down, take a pencil, lay on top of it, and see this spirit come and run up a stovepipe and come back down playing "Shave and a Haircut-Two Bits," and write in unknown tongues, and this medium stretch, pull hisself all together like that and interpret these, up and down like that, and tell it, and--and interpret those tongues, and tell what was said. So you can't say that speaking in tongues you got the Holy Ghost. See? 'Cause I--I know better than that.

L-5 Now, if you'll notice, let's apply it sensibly. See? So that you'll understand, and that's the way I want to do this because I realize I'm talking to intelligent men. So in the Scripture, I Corinthians 12, it said there was--there's nine spiritual gifts. Well then, tongues was one of those gifts in the body of Christ.
Say, let's just show it for an illustration, and make it simple. I know you catch it, but let's be sure that you get it. This--this room is the body of Christ, and by one Spirit we are baptized into this room, and in this room is a gift of a chair to relax. There's a gift of light. There's a gift of heat control. There is a gift of a rocker. There's a gift of a lounge, a gift of a rug. There's a gift of a picture. See what I mean?


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